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Old 12-11-2006, 04:14 PM   #1
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full size axle?

well so far everything has gone good on my sammy, and now i have transfercase and axles and springs to think about. I have been leaning towards some old 80s model chevy truck axles wanted to get opinions on this, not sure if i should go with something else. i can get these axles easily and i have a np208 transfer case out of my buddys chevy. I would like to divorce mount the np208 and then get some new driveshafts made. Keep in mind i have a buick 3.8v6 and automatic tranny any advice would be appriciated thanks neil
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Old 12-11-2006, 04:40 PM   #2
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Fullsize axles? Do it! I love mine and will never go narrow axles. I never roll, I can always drive it out if I flop it and I always feel secure when wheeling with the wider stance. I am also running a samurai tcase.


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Old 12-11-2006, 05:03 PM   #3
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I guess the stance is nice, But you can get the same strength as a 60 with yotas. The rears are already the strength of a 60 and with jus 650 bucks the front is also.

14 bolts drag EVERYTHING. I have a friend who runs one. He shaved it to the point that he had to lathe his ring gear down and he runs 38s and it drags like hell.

I dont mind to roll, ive wheeled long enuf to know how to keep it from rolling and know what to do when it does. So i went with the yotas cuz there super strong and light.

Jus my .02 worth.
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:10 PM   #4
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People always say well 14 bolts drag but I never have a real issue with it, yes it's shaved but not that much, it drags but not bad.
I know I will never break the 14 bolt but a Yota axle as strong as a D60 is hard for me to believe....

I also like how my weight is low to the ground.

I am also not ditching yota axles as I will probably be throwing some yota or D44 axles under my next Samurai I just don't think they can be as strong as a D60.

PS I always try to roll it, It doesn't bother me. :-)
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:15 PM   #5
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tx zuki what kind of springs do u have im going for the look you have that rig is sweet, u still running the stock motor to. if i do everything but the sami case its gona blow up from stress id rather get a set of axles and matching transfer and divorce it
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Same spline count, same diameter. Same material. Pretty much equals the same strength. Ive NEVER seen a rear yota break, not at any competitions, on the trail, ive seen a 400hp yota drag truck with 31" slicks, never seen one break.

Look at my post in the yota tech section, someone posted the strengths of the front yotas if you go with the new longfields.

As for blowin up a sami tcase, good luck with that one. And ive never seen a divorced 208. In fact the only manufacturer that i know of that used a divorced case other than suzuki was IH and they ran a divorced 205. Other manufacturers may have run a divorced tcase but i dont think so and have never seen it.

Jus my .02 worth tho. Its your rig and as ive always said, do what makes you happy and what you think will work and screw the rest.
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:39 PM   #7
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there is a kit you can get to make the toyota t-case into a divorced set up. it has the same input flange just like the outputs.
you will have to fab up a mount/crossmember for it but that is it.
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tx zuki what kind of springs do u have im going for the look you have that rig is sweet, u still running the stock motor to. if i do everything but the sami case its gona blow up from stress id rather get a set of axles and matching transfer and divorce it
I run 17" Big Horns, I get them from www.raceshock.com I feel he is the best in the business.
I been running a stock motor but no I am running 1.6 16V, my tcase has 8:1 and I never have problems.
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Same spline count, same diameter. Same material. Pretty much equals the same strength. Ive NEVER seen a rear yota break, not at any competitions, on the trail, ive seen a 400hp yota drag truck with 31" slicks, never seen one break.

Look at my post in the yota tech section, someone posted the strengths of the front yotas if you go with the new longfields.

As for blowin up a sami tcase, good luck with that one. And ive never seen a divorced 208. In fact the only manufacturer that i know of that used a divorced case other than suzuki was IH and they ran a divorced 205. Other manufacturers may have run a divorced tcase but i dont think so and have never seen it.

Jus my .02 worth tho. Its your rig and as ive always said, do what makes you happy and what you think will work and screw the rest.
I hear yea, thanks for the information. I have some reading to do.
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Benji, i forgot to post the link to that post of mine but its easy to find. Think its titled which is better or sumthin.

THe only weakness is the neck down part of a yota shaft right at the splines. But its not that much smaller, and like i say, ive never seen one break.

Hopefully Scott from Rock4x will chime in. I know he knows more about the strengths of yotas and such than i will ever know.
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Not to bag on Toys but I do not think the ring a pinions are as strong as a 60. I have seen OKIE break a rear R&P out at Disney with a 1.3l and then seen Carl in a buggy with a 4 cyl get a rear and his son in law the same weekend get a front R&P with the same type buggy at 360. Never have seen an axle break though! Just that and tons of Birfs!
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Not to bag on Toys but I do not think the ring a pinions are as strong as a 60. I have seen OKIE break a rear R&P out at Disney with a 1.3l and then seen Carl in a buggy with a 4 cyl get a rear and his son in law the same weekend get a front R&P with the same type buggy at 360. Never have seen an axle break though! Just that and tons of Birfs!
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you can just get the birf eliminator kit......I'm sure Itd still run cheaper than a 60..... fullsize looks kickass but itd be useless up here in the tight trails.
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hard to fit one with full size axles in some spot aroud here also but not imposible
thats one sweet looking buggy tx
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I love that buggy.


i gotta build me one, any hints i need to know.
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you can just get the birf eliminator kit......I'm sure Itd still run cheaper than a 60..... fullsize looks kickass but itd be useless up here in the tight trails.
30 spline Longfields would be alot better! I have heard that the BEK isn't all its cracked up to be!
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so since everybody is talking about full size axles......just to throw out some ideas
full size bronco axles?
bronco II axles?
willys jeep axles?

would any of those work, just thinking

And in my case, what axle from anyones choice would give me less hassle with the police?
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if my axles are to wide ill just run over whats in their way no big deal if u have chainsaw for the big trees. i have some more questons this might seem but, would it be possible to run leafs on full size axles, if so what kind should i get?(i want to run 35s) and does anybody know how hard the breakline conversions and stuff are gona be, i can get the drive shafts cheep from a friend so the sami t case to chevy axle isnt a big deal. ohh yea ive decided for now im gona run the stock tcase cause i can get lots more of em!
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I use to run Chevy 3/4 ton leaf springs and they worked good.
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, would it be possible to run leafs on full size axles, if so what kind should i get?(i want to run 35s)

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I use to run Chevy 3/4 ton leaf springs and they worked good.

YJ's work well also...ton's of rigs out there running them.
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TX, that is a awesome truck.
been thinking about doing a full width on one of my other zuks.
would have to be trail only as we have tire coverage laws here,
have one trail only in process with 39.5 swampers. have to finish that one first.
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YJ's work well also...ton's of rigs out there running them.
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TX, that is a awesome truck.
been thinking about doing a full width on one of my other zuks.
would have to be trail only as we have tire coverage laws here,
have one trail only in process with 39.5 swampers. have to finish that one first.
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Awesome.
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With full size axles you will be throwing all the trail slime into your face.

I would do a ford 9" in the back if I were going full size. They are light and strong. The ring gear is stronger with the higher reduction ratios.

Other than that built toys are as strong as or a little stronger than stock dana 60s but the ring gear is weaker. You can always have bobby long chromo the ring and pinion as well. That should solve that problem but you will end up spending alot of money on the toy axles to get them built but you will have better ground clearance and less weight which will help more than anything.

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Yukon 4340 Birfield Eliminator kit (ear failure) 5,500 / 50
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