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Old 02-24-2010, 09:34 AM   #1
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Toyota rear springs on Zuk

Anyone running these? My friends are telling me these have the advantage of a better approach than YJ's because of the offset centering pin.

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Old 02-24-2010, 10:08 AM   #2
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Yes the 2wd Toyota truck rear and 86-89 rear 4-Runner springs have a 4" offset for the center pin and the YJ springs have a centered spring pin. In this pic you can see the difference between a YJ, Waggy, Toy rear.

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Yes, the toyota 2wd and 4wd rear springs from the pre '87 will work. The post '87 springs are LONG! It have a set and and have considered them but they are about 6-8 inches longer than the earlier springs.
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They are 48" long. The 4wd truck do not have to center pin offset. It has to be early 80's 2wd or the 1st gen 4-runner I had a 95" WB with these springs
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:14 AM   #5
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Yes, the toyota 2wd and 4wd rear springs from the pre '87 will work. The post '87 springs are LONG! It have a set and and have considered them but they are about 6-8 inches longer than the earlier springs.
The springs you have are from the newer Toyota trucks I bet. They are 51" long. Very flexy but they don't have the center pin offset the older springs have
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tex mine are off a 4wheeldrive and there off set..
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I made up spring packs out of 2 sets of toy rears
Order of leaves from top to bottom (in the pack, not the picture)
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Military wrap
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cut down military
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works pretty good but its hard to balance them with my air shocks and 4 link out back. a 4 pack might work better, but i dont wanna start breaking springs. The toyota guys usually run 6 leaves




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tex mine are off a 4wheeldrive and there off set..
what year?
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my buddy has a 92ish toyota pickup reg cab short bed 4x4 and the rear springs are offset. He just put an ex cab on the reg cab frame and after looking at his springs i told him to just flip them around to get the rear tires away from the body. my hollander interchange book (i work at a junk yard) says that 89-95 4x4 pickup reg and ex cab rear springs are all the same. some have differant rates though.
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ALL 4x4 Toyota REAR springs are offset. The front springs are not.

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My fronts are 25 3/4 and 22 1/2 from pin to bolt. 3 inch lift springs from trail gear.
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Ok I was just thinkin about the 1st & 2nd gen SR5's
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My fronts are 25 3/4 and 22 1/2 from pin to bolt. 3 inch lift springs from trail gear.
I was referring to stock fronts, which are the same dimensions as YJ's except for the width.

My rears I pulled myself out of an 84 Toyota 4x4 and they are offset. They're all offset, just changed dimensions between body styles a bit.

I plan Toy springs all around (Toy fronts in front, Toy rears in the rear) once I get the space on level ground to stretch my frame out a bit to fit the fronts. They fit in the stock hangers so they're good for about a 5" stretch out front.

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Is there any disadvantage to putting offset rears in the front? I'm thinking rears all round, which should give give me wheelbase extension both front and rear (of course, I'll have to deal with the gas tank and whatever else interferes). I'm actually pretty happy with the flex I have with stock springs. I'm mainly replacing springs so I can take the dam potholes alot better than with my stock springs (which are almost completely shot). I'm pretty happy with my flex and would prefer to keep it as low as possible. Right now I'm running 34x9.5 TSLs with about 2 inches cut out of the wells and with my shot springs, I'm sitting as low as I possibly can, which is kinda nice, but brutal at any speed.

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I am also wondering about rear yotas on both ends. I have a few 86-88 trucks at my work so i can get springs pretty easy/cheap. we also have YJs too so i could go either way, but a little more wheel base wouldnt hurt.

EDIT: I will be using M/Ls front/rear, not stretching the frame.
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i have rears all around and it works great mine are from 87's the front has an add aleaf and the rear is just 3 .. its too soft and goes negitive very easy i need to mix in another leaf but im linking it soon so it doesnt matter.. i just run some homemaid missing links... i should probably have a panhard but i dont see the road ever and yeah
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Old 03-04-2010, 09:38 AM   #17
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I was also thinking: the more the centerpin is offset, theoretically the less axle travel one will get. What difference would the relation between the centerpin/length of spring make when comparing YJ to Toy springs...

YJ 22.5/22.5
TO 20.5/27.5

Also, since the YJ's are a bit wider springs, are they significantly stronger than toyota springs?
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I've never heard of anyone having any issues with the strength of Toy rears, the trucks people usually run them in are a lot heavier than a Sami, and I think the longer spring will make up for any loss of travel you might see with the offset pin. Toyota guys get a crazy amount of wheel travel out of these springs.
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Good to know. Looking forward to rebuilding my zuk
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you'll want a trac bar . with only 3 leaves and then having my spring pin forward on the perch.. i had bad axle wrap.. really bad but onces i got a trac bar no problems since
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you'll want a trac bar . with only 3 leaves and then having my spring pin forward on the perch.. i had bad axle wrap.. really bad but onces i got a trac bar no problems since
You can always just mix more leaves in, I actually changed plans and will be tossing some of the front leaves I have into the rear packs and keeping the good (non S-shaped) YJ's I have in the front.
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Bought some springs today. I figured I'd start stocking up on the parts I need for when I'm ready to install. Not sure if both sets will work - one seems to be different. The friend I got the springs from suggested that the toyota springs w/o the overload might be lift springs? I figure maybe I can just remove some leafs if they are too stiff. For comparison I added some stock samurai springs.

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I have toy rears on the front of mine. I dont remember my exact spring pack setup but they're soft and flex very well.
I have shackles up front and if i were to do it again i would do shackle reversal. I bent my first set of springs the first time out right at the spring hanger on the frame.
They lasted through my second trip to the badlands, but i havent had too much time lately too wheel it anymore.

In the rear im running YJ's with a track bar.
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this is a really cool idea and ive been looking into it and found this thread http://www.zukikrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=34410
i believe he used the rear springs from a toyota (year not specified) and he added springs from the yj's to them... really like the stance!!!
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I now have 48" Toyota rears f/r on my Zuk. U can check them out in my build thread (below). I have a 3 pack of stock Toyota pickup rears in the back, which run flat and up front I have some non-stock Toyota springs which are a bit more arched and thus don't run flat. However, they do flex very well (from what I have tried). They are only a 2.5 pack, though so not sure how long they might last. I did a shackle reverse, also. Ideally, I would have stock toyota spring front/rear - that way my zuk would be perfectly level. Right now, as you can see, the front sits a bit higher.


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