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Old 01-25-2010, 11:59 PM   #1
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Going deep again.

Replacing the front part of my frame this week. Figured I'd let you guys in.

I got a 2wd frame sitting outside that matches the body vin, so I'm gonna cut that out and replace my REALLY messed up front section of frame.

Here's when I brought it in. 7:20


About an hour later -plus I tore my winch apart to see if I can run the box under the hood.


This is one of the reasons I'm doing this (I'll get a pic of the other section that will make anyone say WTF!). That whole section has been welded inside and out, 3 different times, 3 different breaks.


Tomorrow, I gotta take all the brake lines loose from the frame, then unbolt the motor and hang it off the rafter, then I can cut that old frame out and start beefing up my new frame!


The plans for the new frame:
  • Beef the hell outta it in the spots I've seen it break.
  • Hagen widen mod to accomodate Yota IFS axles.
  • Fab the stuff up to put IFS axles in the front, cuz I broke an axle the same time I broke the steering off the last time.
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I have a dually as well, it's a Cummins powered Dodge.
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:14 AM   #4
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Your riping the shit out of it now, how about just doing a staight axle now?
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I had a rebuttal all typed out for you, TEX, but I agree! I think it would be less work to SAS this rig, now. The biggest reason I wouldn't before was because of all that stuff in the front.
I got a whole front axle, TTDT's with rear side gears ready for a locker, so all I would need is wheel spacers and possibly springs. I got 2 YJ's sitting around here, but I don't want to lift it way too damn high, and I don't want to loose much approach angle, so I might go with stock rear springs... I don't know!
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I had a rebuttal all typed out for you, TEX, but I agree! I think it would be less work to SAS this rig, now. The biggest reason I wouldn't before was because of all that stuff in the front.
I got a whole front axle, TTDT's with rear side gears ready for a locker, so all I would need is wheel spacers and possibly springs. I got 2 YJ's sitting around here, but I don't want to lift it way too damn high, and I don't want to loose much approach angle, so I might go with stock rear springs... I don't know!
Look at my build with leaf springs. You can get a 100% aproach angle very easy. I don't beleive it would lift you to high.
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Got the front half cut out today. It's worse than I though!!

Drivers Side:
The upper right circle is where I've welded it before, so no crack. Just showing how much was cracked at one time.


Other than the steering box crack, this is the only crack I knew about going into it. The rest were a surprise to me.


Didn't even notice my motor mount was cracked.


Passenger side:
Crossmember mount.


Damn jumps...


Crossmember:
The passenger side is broke off. The drivers side is almost there.





I'm just debating what to do with the springs right now. I got a yota buddy who might have a couple springs I could disect.

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Damn, you have got your money's worth out of that frame

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Old 01-27-2010, 08:10 PM   #10
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Is this thing going to be done for the annual meet and greet at the coast?
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x3 sas it!!!!!! and hury up .....hehehe
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When is the M&G?! I need to make a post!!!! Isn't it the last weekend in March or April?

I got some rear springs from TT today. I gotta dismantle this 2wd frame and get it ready for mounting and plating.

I'll have it done by next weekend.
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No turning back, now...


After talking with Brent and Travis at TT, we decided on using the top 2 springs from the rear of a Samurai, and the bottom 2 springs from the front. I think I got some front springs laying around or else I'm gonna trade Travis 2 YJ's for his 2 rear Bonz-Eye's.
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if your going to sas why put another stock front frame piece? why not some 2x4 box give your self a clean slate to work with for minimal more fab work,able to keep it low and retain uptravel

i was interested in the yota ifs stuff swap i have a bunch of it laying around from doing sas on yotas and have been thinking about using some on a track/kick
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I might rebuild from the strut tower - forward, but I think with enough plating, It should be strong enough for a couple more years of torture. I think the reason the steering kept breaking like it did, was because the bolts came loose a really long time ago cuz I had the winch in the way and couldn't really tighten the front-most bolt, and loose shit is broke shit. I'll just plate the hell outta everything and fix it as it breaks off. It'll probably last long enough till I 3-link it and start wheeling 35's.

I'm only running 30's right now, so hopefully I don't need to lift the rear any to level it out. That's what I'm shooting for. Level ride that will never break on 31's. I don't want much more flex than I had, but I don't really want to bottom out on my oil pan, so I'll get bump stops in ASAP so I can half-way jump it.
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When is the M&G?! I need to make a post!!!! Isn't it the last weekend in March or April?

I got some rear springs from TT today. I gotta dismantle this 2wd frame and get it ready for mounting and plating.

I'll have it done by next weekend.
i thought it was in may
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Last weekend in May. Just posted a thread.
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Well, I got almost all the metal I needed today and I made some Shackle mounts and spring hangers. I must have measured my frame wrong, cuz I thought I needed 1 3/4" x 4" tubing to go in the frame, but the 2x2 I got for the crossmember fits right in there and snug, so I gotta go back and get some 2x4 tomorrow morning.

I set an impossible goal; Sunday wheeling. I'll go to TT tomorrow and get a D-line spacer incase I need one in the front, cuz it might be Saturday by the time I need it or not. If not, someone could use it. Gonna take the front spacers off my dad's Samurai (and probably put stock tires on it for the rebuild) and put them on my front till I can afford 2. Only issue will be steering, since I'll have to make a z-type control arm to help bumpsteer, unless it only sits 3-5" below the pitman arm, which is normal for lifted Samurai's.

Gonna go pick up my axle tonight, cuz a buddy took it for his Sidekick SAS, but never used it. It's been in the rain the past 2 weeks as well... Yay. The berfields are still good, so I might trade Brent the berfs for spacers! I'm nervous about how bad the rust is gonna be.
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Official Decloration of Defeat.

My head keeps getting off track with everything that needs to be done, so I'm gonna stop rushing and take my time with everything. The last straw was last night and today. Yesterday, I got some 1 3/4" and 1 1/2" Square tubing, and the 1 1/2" is for my crossmember and nothing else. Last night, for some reason I thought I got 1 3/4" and 2" square, so I while I was putting the 1 3/4" in the frame (gonna be the inside guides on the frame, and the frame is 4" x 1 3/4" ID, and they don't make 4x1.75 tubing, so I got a lot of 1 3/4" Square tubing.), I was thinking to myself, "This 2" square tube FITS!(really 1 3/4"), so I need to get 2x4 tomorrow," instead of doubling the tubing and having 1/2" gap between the 2 tubes.

Long story...continued (Can't shorten any more)... I didn't put the frame together last night because I was gonna "do it right"... I got 2x4 today and it doesn't fit! While my mind is still focused on wheeling sunday(that's all I have in there, not much more can fit while I'm rushing to get stuff done), I think "Man! This must be 2 1/2" x 4"", so instead of calling my metal guy, I drive the 10 miles there to find out he doesn't even carry 2 1/2" x 4", so it was acually 2x4...

So now I'm behind by about 6 hours I could have been working on it...
My garage is a mess and getting clustered... I'm gonna take some time cleaning it up in there.

Besides that, I don't want to mix anything else up potentially life threatening, or expencive, so I'm gonna take a break for most the day and take it easy. Taking G-ma to dinner tonight.




On a happy note, I went to Trail Tough today and bought a couple things. I'll get the camera.
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Wow man, you DO need a break. You should measure the frame, (WRITE IT DOWN) take the tape measure with you, and measure the metal BEFORE buying it.
It's good your taking a break. If ya shortcut stuff, it will bite ya in the a$$ later on.
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I get wrapped up when I work on my junk too, try to do 3-4 things at once and mess all of them up.
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