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Old 02-04-2015, 06:35 PM   #476
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So the stock 16v Alternator pulley with fit onto the GM 10or12si?

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Great information need to get this done on mine.
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Gents, thanks, I just did exactly this to my dad's 93 sunrunner... sidekick/tracker... anyway, seems to work good but I can't turn the rig off. It starts, runs, no charging problems, I turn off the key and nothing, keeps purring along like nothing happened.

Help please, it's my first day working on a sidekick and it's not going great .

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I think you have it wired incorrectly. Take another look at your wiring. It sounds like you have an ignition wire connected to a charging/battery wire.

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Thanks, I have it just like this thread but it's a sidekick, not a Sammie, does that matter? I read somewhere to diode something, another place said to put a high resistance lamp in... Seem like bandaids, I'll keep digging. Thanks.
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Sorry I can't help you, but I do think you have overlooked something, and I really question the need for anything other than what is in this thread.

I have no experience with the Sidkicks, but I understand the Alt wiring is the same. Did you look at post #11?

Post #87 shows which wire that needs a switch.

And post #130, Ack even left the stock plug.
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Ok, looks like the deal is, since there is no charging dash light to offer resistance it creates a loop and keeps the coil energized. I'll add a diode in series from the stud on the back. Research points to that being common when swapping new 12si's into old hotrods.
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I gotta ask, how have so many on this forum, installed the GM alternator and not need a diode?

As I previously posted, I have no tracker or kick, so it could simply be ignorance on my part. But, the GM alt is installed on many engines, including tractors. I still think you are overlooking something in your wiring.

I am interested in knowing your final outcome, please post.

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I just put a CS121 on mine using a Low range bracket and a wiring harness adapter so i didn't have to cut the factory harness. I think it fits the space better than a CS130 or 10/12Si. This one did 90 amps on the tester.
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Looks great, thanks for the input. What was the cost, and source of the CS121?

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Looks great, thanks for the input. What was the cost, and source of the CS121?

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It's a lester number 7937-11 for a 89-91 cutlass calais or Buick skylark.
I rebuild alternators for a living and that helped in deciding that a cs121 was best for me.


Heres a size comparison between a cs121 and cs130. They are interchangeable.
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What is the advantage of the cs121 over the 12SI?
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What is the advantage of the cs121 over the 12SI?
The CS alts will put out more amps at lower RPM,kick in quicker and are more compact. They're just my preference though. None are really that great. I'd take the factory nippo denso over them all any day if they put out more amps.
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This post is full solid info

Guys, how have the Summit Racing alts been working?

(I am considering doing the swap and these Summit Racing units are looking like the way to go for me... Interesting Skittle colours too...)
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Mine has worked great. Do pay attention to the mounting bolt size compared to the alt hole. Long story, but mine was incorrect, so I have to replace one side of the alt case. I do not see it as an alt fault issue, just a dummy me.

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EDIT: I suggest a Trail Tough mounting bracket, it will allow for a better fit and belt adjustment than the modified Zuke bracket.
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Thx Wayne... Is the bolt hole size the same at the top and bottom the same?

I was looking to use the Trail Tough or LROR bracket to mount the alt. The Trail Tough mount does a better job?
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the CS alternators should have metric holes. The SI alternators can be either standard or metric. There is a metal shim that will slide in the metric lower hole to make it smaller.

I found a place to get a factory nippo to delco wiring adapters. These were used on Some Geos and some Toyotas that used a special Delco cs121 alternator. Once the mounting bracket cut off they will plug into a GM cs121 or 130. Since I had to take the CS121 off to reclock it because it was gonna hit the motor mount I went ahead and put the cs130 on there.
This is a 7858-11 which is a 87 Camaro alternator. The Factory wiring harness is intact and plugs right in.

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Very nice Smallblock

I would like to keep the wire harness intact. Trying to find the correct Nippon end and would connect it to the GM 2 pin plug.
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Thx Wayne... Is the bolt hole size the same at the top and bottom the same?

I was looking to use the Trail Tough or LROR bracket to mount the alt. The Trail Tough mount does a better job?
The top and bottom are different. The top of the alt has a 5/16 threaded bolt hole. The bottom has a 3/8 hole, no threads.

It has been a while, but I think some alts have a 7/16" diameter hole with steel bushings to 3/8". Do not take the 3/8" bolt stuff I said as fact, confirm it to be true or not.

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HaOuLi, I made comments on the lower bolt in posts #396 and #403.

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CS130 install video

I just made a full install video on the CS130 alt. upgrade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF0gabVE2ek

Used a 100% new Duralast Gold CS130 (DLG1347-5-11):
http://www.autozone.com/batteries-st...or/115396_0_0/

The CS130 has to have the mounting ear straight across from the lower bolt boss. Also, the mounting ear needs to be the "tall" one (widest bolt spacing).
Nobody ever mentions this:



These alternators were used on Chevy trucks/vans from 1987-1995. P30 step van with 5.7l V8 is the easy application to remember.
Autozone does not stock the Gold 100% new alternators. They got mine to me next day.

Watch video for all details/part numbers (alternator/pigtail plug/belt).
I also show how to properly "clock" the alternator by removing the face.
You will also need a V-belt pulley instead of the serpentine pulley.
Any Chevy v-belt pulley should work. Adventure Off Road also has them for $16

The Nippondenso plug adapter (Part # 461804) is $25 here:
http://store.alternatorparts.com/partno461804.aspx

This is the part that makes the install "plug and play" but I personally don't like the idea of that.

I used the Duralast 237 AC Delco pigtail and wired the large red sense (S) wire direct to battery terminal positive, and the black (I or F) wire to the Suzuki white/red stripe wire. No other wires on the 4 pin plug are used.

I would not use the stock black/white sense wire as it just goes into the old vehicle harness. Up to you though. I wanted the alternator to correctly see the battery voltage direct from the source and adjust things properly.

Hope this helps everybody. Loving my upgrade!

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A very nice video, and clean wiring. Thanks for going to the trouble.

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Thanks! Took a long time to make .

I'm going to be doing a couple more Samurai videos.
One about fixing LED turn signal hyperflash with the right part.
Also another about the importance of having brand new u-joints on your intermediate driveshaft.

If I missed anything in the video...feel free to ask for any clarification.
But I think it speaks for itself. Get those exact parts and wire up the way I said..instant joy.

This upgrade has been great for a bunch of reasons.
Belt tension is much lower. Less noise than the stock alternator.
Engine feels more free running.

And ya can't argue with big amps!
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