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rockrat
02-09-2006, 12:42 AM
I, am in the planning process for 4 linking my rear end, the vehicle has been streched 4 inches and I want to move the rear end 6 more inches back, has enyone done this? I am going to use 1.5 120 wall tubing with 3/4 inch hiem joints. any input would be great.

TX_ZUKI
02-09-2006, 08:38 AM
I would use .250 wall tubing for your links. I am sure you will bend that .120 wall.

Rockit
02-09-2006, 09:43 AM
I'm just getting done with installing my 4-link. The lower arms are 11/4 .250 tubing. The uppers are 3/4 .250 tubing. The goofy thing on the back diff is for adjusting how the suspension is set up.

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/Rockit/100_0309.sized.jpg

I used 11/4 hiem joints on the bottom and 3/4 on the top

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/Rockit/100_0305.sized.jpg

I'm going with fox shox, thats why theres now springs yet.

rockrat
02-09-2006, 12:05 PM
I would use .250 wall tubing for your links. I am sure you will bend that .120 wall.

I was going to sleeve the lower links with 1 3/4 .120 which I think would be fairly strong.

TX_ZUKI
02-09-2006, 12:10 PM
I was going to sleeve the lower links with 1 3/4 .120 which I think would be fairly strong.
It will be stronger, but I still have seen it bend. Not alot, but I have seen it.

Hulkzuki
02-09-2006, 01:04 PM
I know it looks a little ghetto but welding a piece of angle iron to my bottom link is one of the cheapest and best mods I've ever done.

Not only does it beef up and support the DOM tube dramatically, it also works great as a rock slider. Sometimes it will even crack rocks in 1/2. It gives one small narrow friction point to the lower link instead of trying to drag the entire tube across a rock.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/members/Hulkzuki/carnage_017.sized.jpg


This is an older pic. The upper link you see hanging by the strap was literally ripped from the frame due to stress in the rock garden @ Gilmer. The weld held but the frame did not. There was a hole in the frame that I could stick 4 fingers in. The angle iron on the top link is to beef it up as well. It is DOM and was bending due to stress, not impact.

I dont remember what wall size I used but it was obviously not enough.

rockrat
02-09-2006, 05:42 PM
Iam in the process of building a truss that will cover to top of my axle and have a place to mount the top two links. I will post pictures when I have them.

zukking01
02-09-2006, 06:05 PM
I LOVE the angle iron welded as a rock skid/protector. That is a great idea.

DesertZuki
02-09-2006, 07:20 PM
I know it looks a little ghetto...
Function over form unless you're trying to pick up a woman you probably can't afford anyway..

Looks like good thinking to me..

rockrat
02-09-2006, 10:26 PM
rockit what size hiem joints are you using I am thinking 3/4s, I like the idea of using angle iron, if I sleeve and use angle iron I should be good. I have a friend who has a zuk rock bugy and i am going to pattern my linkage geometry off of his. I think I will use 11" coil springs, I wanted to get fox coil overs but I bought a band saw so my budget has been reduced.

Rockit
02-09-2006, 10:43 PM
rockit what size hiem joints are you using I am thinking 3/4s, I like the idea of using angle iron, if I sleeve and use angle iron I should be good. I have a friend who has a zuk rock bugy and i am going to pattern my linkage geometry off of his. I think I will use 11" coil springs, I wanted to get fox coil overs but I bought a band saw so my budget has been reduced.

the tops are 3/4 and the bottoms are 11/4

rockrat
02-10-2006, 10:37 AM
here are some pictures of my zuk on a 30 degree ramp. it would be great if the 4 link would flex like this.

Hardline
02-14-2006, 09:58 PM
Just my 2 cents but my links are 1 1/2 .250 wall DOM with a piece of 1 3/4 120 wal HREW slid over that. They still bent but I do hit them kinda hard at times. JJ

TX_ZUKI
02-14-2006, 10:03 PM
They still bent but I do hit them kinda hard at times. JJ
x2 I also bent mine this weekend, just trying to take the Hardline :mrgreen:

Soonerzuk
02-14-2006, 10:27 PM
hey Benji and JJ, are you guys running a 3 link system in the rear or a 4 link? i looked at yalls rigs this last weekend but i dont remember. all i know is that they flex like crazy and it got me wanting to put coils under the rear of mine now! so i'm just trying to get some ideas. thanks guys.

TX_ZUKI
02-14-2006, 10:32 PM
Thank you. We are running 3 link rear & 2 link front. I think JJ has some pics in his gallery. If not I will try and get some to you.

Soonerzuk
02-14-2006, 10:52 PM
yea if you could get me some pics of the rear i would GREATLY appreciate it! what i'm planning on doing is moving my rear axle back to gain some more wheelbase and then putting coils with either a 3 link or 4 link. i have a set of TJ coils laying around i was thinkin about using.

Hardline
02-14-2006, 11:07 PM
Just looked in my gallery. There are no good pictures of my rear suspension setup. I will have to go to the shop to get some soon. JJ

TX_ZUKI
02-14-2006, 11:08 PM
What wheel base do you want to be at?

Soonerzuk
02-14-2006, 11:37 PM
well i eventually want to be around 100", but i'm leaving the YJ's up front for right now so is that even possible to reach without extending the front?:confused:

Hardline
02-15-2006, 09:58 PM
well i eventually want to be around 100", but i'm leaving the YJ's up front for right now so is that even possible to reach without extending the front?:confused:
That is going almost 20 inches. I would say that you would not want to do all of that on one end. Mine is set up at 102.5. JJ

OKIE ZUK
02-15-2006, 10:41 PM
I'm at 94" and that's 3" in front and 11" in the rear. TJ's work great. That's what NineInches used on his Zuk. Since I'm not able to post yet, look on Pirate. Find one of my post and click on my name. Then click on my profile and then on post started be me. Look for Wheelin' at Wheeling Ranch last weekend pix and you'll see the orange Zuk of Clint's.rockonn

Carne
02-16-2006, 12:01 AM
Got mine linked, 98 inches, and it seems to work great...

Sally
02-16-2006, 12:07 AM
Got mine linked, 98 inches, and it seems to work great...

Welcome to the board sounds like a sweet rig:shocked!:

ohh and btw
thispicis
of your killer setup:cool:

TX_ZUKI
02-16-2006, 07:46 AM
Welcome to the site, you should post some pics of your rig in a new post. jamminzz Got mine linked, 98 inches, and it seems to work great...

Soonerzuk
02-16-2006, 10:49 AM
That is going almost 20 inches. I would say that you would not want to do all of that on one end. Mine is set up at 102.5. JJ

yea i didnt think that i could or should do it all at one end. i know this may sound like a newb question but do you guys think i would benefit any from just extending the back as much as i can and putting the TJ coils under it and just leaving the YJ's up front right now? You guys know more about this than i do, i just want some more wheelbase for stability. thanks for yalls help.


PS. thanks for the link OKIE ZUK

rockrat
02-26-2006, 04:49 PM
well I still need to post pictures but I have finnished my links the rear axle will be pushed back almost 10 inches. I will be using stock axles just for testing, once I get the rear right I will do the front, and later I will swap axles. I am looking for a wheel base around 96" this should be perfect for 36" tires. I had to build axle trusses and all of the brackets, which took around 4 days, I did this while on leave from work for a hernia surgery. of course I was in alot of pain but the project helped take my mind off of it. now it is time to weld it on which will happen this weekend I hope.

Rock4xFab
03-07-2006, 04:25 PM
Holy shit some one has my screen name AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....
Welcome now lets see pics.

Itsmejoe231
03-07-2006, 05:28 PM
Holy shit some one has my screen name AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....
Welcome now lets see pics.

Yea that threw us all for a loop for the first few posts from him. lol

Welcome back!!

POWERSTROKEN
03-07-2006, 05:46 PM
That is going almost 20 inches. I would say that you would not want to do all of that on one end. Mine is set up at 102.5. JJ
I'd like to see some pics of your rig with the 102" WB Thanks Jim

TX_ZUKI
03-07-2006, 06:14 PM
Here are some in the gallery http://www.zukikrawlers.com/gallery/Hardline http://www.zukikrawlers.com/gallery/wheelin-picsI'd like to see some pics of your rig with the 102" WB Thanks Jim

POWERSTROKEN
03-07-2006, 06:38 PM
Sweet thanks man. Wonder what size tires he is running?

TX_ZUKI
03-07-2006, 10:02 PM
Sweet thanks man. Wonder what size tires he is running?38's. He is my buddy that I usually wheel with. Crawls excellent and great flex. Hardline has mastered the art of adjusting air shocks.

OKIE ZUK
03-07-2006, 10:21 PM
Hi, Scott and welcome to the board.

elotsip
03-07-2006, 10:46 PM
Got a quick question about doing a link. Would runing a 3 or 4 link rear with coils but keeping the front leaf springs be a good way to get a longer wheel base without a huge expense?

OKIE ZUK
03-08-2006, 10:19 AM
Sure and no more axle wrap.:mrgreen:

Rock4xFab
03-12-2006, 04:09 PM
Hi, Scott and welcome to the board.

I have been around for awhile just have not posted since the rebuild of the site...Busy busy busy

TX_ZUKI
03-12-2006, 04:35 PM
I hear that! Nice to see you agin. I have been around for awhile just have not posted since the rebuild of the site...Busy busy busy

Rock4xFab
03-12-2006, 10:56 PM
I plan to be stopping in more often

DesertZuki
04-02-2006, 06:36 PM
Posting for Rockrat. He's been meaning to get pics up for his newly finished 4-link in the rear. He took it out today on the trails. It didn't get out to see it in action but it sounds like it did really well. Anyway, he stopped by the house so here's the pics:

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2042.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2045.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2043.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2044.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2046.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2047.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2050.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2051.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2063.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2052.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2053.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2055.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2056.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2057.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2065.jpg

http://www.zukikrawlers.com/albums/album19/img_2061.jpg

rockrat
04-02-2006, 07:51 PM
Thank you for the lunch and posting the pictures, they turned out great. Let me know when your zuk is ready so we can hit the trail.

TX_ZUKI
04-02-2006, 07:54 PM
rockrat you did wonderful work. I admire your fab skills. bigok

rockrat
04-02-2006, 07:59 PM
rockrat you did wonderful work. I admire your fab skills. bigok
Thank you

DesertZuki
04-02-2006, 09:04 PM
Thank you for the lunch and posting the pictures, they turned out great. Let me know when your zuk is ready so we can hit the trail. Apple beer and lunch on me anytime! toast

Thanks again for showing me your stuff! bigok

magnum ink
04-02-2006, 09:19 PM
Thats pretty sexy Chip......all that on those little bitty axles..:rolleyes: you goin to the hammers with us on april 21 Ill help you change those broken axles atleast once 2finger ....Looks great Chip smokin

rockrat
04-02-2006, 09:46 PM
Thats pretty sexy Chip......all that on those little bitty axles..:rolleyes: you goin to the hammers with us on april 21 Ill help you change those broken axles atleast once 2finger ....Looks great Chip smokin
It would be a honor to have you help me change a axle, it seems when ever you fix a axle 4WHEEL DRIVE AND SPORT UTILITY mag is there to take pictures. I've seen you in several issues.:dance:

magnum ink
04-02-2006, 09:57 PM
They like my hair cut :mrgreen:

rockrat
04-05-2006, 07:22 PM
I tested it this last week end, it went great it felt netural, no lift or squat. the rear axle was pushed back 9 inches. my wheel base is now 92 inches next I will do the front, which will be pushed forward 4 inches. of course as magnum ink pointed out i will need bigger axles. I'm planning on Dana 44s, with IROK 36" tires. If any one wants the rear demensions I will post them.

mahana79
04-06-2006, 11:10 PM
If any one wants the rear demensions I will post them.

that would be awesome if it feels neutral. I will be linking mine as well int he next few weeks with time permitting and that would certainly save me some time bigok bigok toast

rockrat
06-01-2006, 10:27 AM
I now have four long runs on the suspension and it works great, it feels verry neutral and you can see the way it flexes if you look at magnum inks photo gallery and the trail report for logandale trails. when I get a chance I will post the measurements as far as the links and brackets go.

epike7915
06-01-2006, 08:36 PM
Rockrat, what springs are you using on the back of that?

Eric:suzuki:

DesertZuki
06-01-2006, 09:09 PM
...you can see the way it flexes if you look at magnum inks photo gallery and the trail report for logandale trails...You'd be able to see the flex even better if he'd PICK WORSE LINES! :mrgreen:

magnum ink
06-02-2006, 01:01 AM
I try to get him to follow..He's still a little Green....puke

rockrat
06-02-2006, 10:05 AM
Rockrat, what springs are you using on the back of that?

Eric:suzuki:
they are soft top sidekick rears. they work nicely but I wish they were a little taller.

rockrat
06-02-2006, 10:07 AM
You'd be able to see the flex even better if he'd PICK WORSE LINES! :mrgreen:
I thought those were the hard lines.

BUDWIISER
06-02-2006, 01:51 PM
I saw the question and I saw a few possible answers. But, I just don't have this right in my head. I understand, you don't want all of your "stretch" to be in the rear, so what's the recommended lenght of stretch on the rear without stretching the front?

DesertZuki
06-03-2006, 11:12 AM
I try to get him to follow..He's still a little Green....puke
If he's a little green: puke




Then I must be:
pukepukepukepukepukepukepukepukepuke

magnum ink
06-04-2006, 01:04 AM
You just have to get it on crbaby

TX_ZUKI
06-04-2006, 08:50 AM
You just have to get it on crbaby
:rofl:

rockrat
06-05-2006, 08:05 PM
I saw the question and I saw a few possible answers. But, I just don't have this right in my head. I understand, you don't want all of your "stretch" to be in the rear, so what's the recommended lenght of stretch on the rear without stretching the front?
my front is stretched 2.5 inches and my rear is 9.5. I would like to take the front 4 more inches. I have no recomended lenght. although at this time I am at 92" and it works great.bigok

magnum ink
06-09-2006, 06:37 PM
For little rocks!:band:

sammikid524
02-17-2009, 10:12 PM
i was planning on using 1 1/4 chromoly tubes in the rear as links but it looks tiny compared to all the guys using 1 3/4 and what not. do you guys think it will be strong enough?

Gearhead61
02-18-2009, 01:53 PM
I think 1.25 is pretty small... even if it is chromoly. Increasing the diameter even without increasing the wall thickness will substantially increase the bending strength of your links. You could probably use 1.25" tubing on your upper links though.

1v6pony
02-27-2009, 06:32 PM
I did not see any photos of the front springs but did you also use sidekick springs in the front?? What are your reasons for wanting it taller... ans what other springs front and rear would you recomend? Thanks