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alilrusty
03-14-2006, 09:53 PM
whats this high steer stuff? and what is bump steer?

zukking01
03-14-2006, 10:01 PM
A stock sammy has the steeking under the spring. A high steer will bring the steering over the spring even if you have a spring over. This keeps it out of the way from rocks bashing into it. It also helps with bump steer. A common occurence with lifted vehicles.

/www.rocky-road.com/ottsteer.html

Sally
03-14-2006, 10:06 PM
I prefer this kit over RRO
http://www.breezeindustries.com/crossover2.jpg

This kit just looks like it's built better. And I will never buy anything from RRO ever again.
http://www.breezeindustries.com/kit_details.htm#Cross%20Over%20Steering%20System

bigflex
03-14-2006, 10:20 PM
hey sally whats wrong with rro i have been thinking of ordering some parts from them and would like some insight . thanks in advance

Sally
03-14-2006, 10:34 PM
pm sent bigflex

TT also sells a rockin OTT kit
This kit is top quality! Steering arm is machined steel and includes 1" .250 wall drag link and tie rod with all new metric tie rod ends. Puts the drag link above the springs and eliminates bump steer. This is the way to do your steering correctly. A must with YJ suspension!
Item #KOS-300 Price $279.00

Zee
03-14-2006, 10:46 PM
I have the sky setup,works well and is beefy.
http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/
Z

Ljlova
03-14-2006, 10:56 PM
I dont know what i have, anyone tell me. http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=3/7223104092.jpg&s=x11

Itsmejoe231
03-14-2006, 10:59 PM
That is high steer or over the top steering unless your rig is upside down in the picture. :mrgreen:

Ljlova
03-14-2006, 11:31 PM
Is that good or bad, and what is that shock in the front and no my pick is right side up lol

alilrusty
03-14-2006, 11:37 PM
idk if mine is high steer but its a stock 87 samurai i would take a pic but i my camera is at my gf's dorm

Vagabond
03-15-2006, 12:19 AM
what is that shock in the front
That is a steering stabilizer which provides improved vehicle steering response and handling, especially with a lift or oversized tires. On rough terrain, the stabilizer dampens the violent movement of the steering wheel which can dislocate or fracture thumbs.

Sally
03-15-2006, 12:26 AM
Rusty, to the best of my knowledge bump steer is caused when you change the angle of the main steering link off the pitman arm from adding lift. Thus changing the distance from the king pin to the pitman arm and inturn moving your pitman arm to one direction. This will limit your steering from one side to the other and not allow you equal and full turns of the wheel to both the left and right.

alilrusty
03-15-2006, 12:39 AM
damn if i would have thought about it harder i could have figured it out on my own

ack
03-15-2006, 05:29 PM
damn if i would have thought about it harder i could have figured it out on my own

Hello from the other side of the Metro!

To add to the Bumpsteer explanation, when you do a suspension lift, you increase the angle of the draglink in relation to the tierod and the pitman arm. The result is, when you hit a bump, the steering wheel can be wrenched out of your hands if you don't have a good grip on it. This can happen on the trails AND on the road!

The typical solutions are:

A "longer" draglink or one that is "bent" to compensate for the increased angle. These come in the form of the dreaded "Z" link which is usually three pieces of steel braced and welded together in the shape of a squished Z. I have seen too many of these fail on the trail to consider building one. Then there is the forged one-piece draglink with a mild bend to it. Breeze makes one and it's what I have on my Samurai.

The other solution is the High or Over The Top (OTT) steering system (pictured in earlier posts) that attaches a steering arm to the top of the knuckle. This system virtually eliminates bumpsteer because it raises the tierod end of the draglink almost as high as the typical lift thus setting the draglink to pitman angle back to near factory normal.

Rocky Road and Breeze Industries among others offer Highsteer/OTT systems. They are more expensive than an aftermarket draglink but they work better.

Hope this helps!

alilrusty
03-15-2006, 05:44 PM
hey Ack its about time someone on here is close to me lol

Vagabond
03-15-2006, 07:54 PM
A Z-link doesn't do much to mitigate bump-steer. A drop pitman arm does. If you want to really scare yourself, jump up and down on your front bumper and watch your steering wheel swing back and forth. This is bump steer. http://www.web-pub.com/smilies/nailbite.gif

Itsmejoe231
03-15-2006, 08:05 PM
A Z-link doesn't do much to mitigate bump-steer. A drop pitman arm does. If you want to really scare yourself, jump up and down on your front bumper and watch your steering wheel swing back and forth. This is bump steer. http://www.web-pub.com/smilies/nailbite.gif

Yes, the closer to parallel the drag link is to the tie rod the less bump steer.

Sally
03-16-2006, 03:15 AM
On my last truck i used a drop pitman arm and a z link to get it paralell with the axle. still had a lillte bump steer on the trails.
Now I run a driverside drop, anti bumpsteer setup that has none.
where i got the bumpsteer for the faq
http://www.steeda.com/PR/Mustang/bumpsteer/bumpsteer.htm

Billjohn
03-16-2006, 08:41 AM
Understand that a 'Z' link does nothing to reduce bumpsteer... It is designed to get around your front springs and that is all. You still have the same attachment points (pitman arm and tie rod) so the virtual drag link (invisible line) is actually still a straight line from point 'A' to point 'B'. A dropped pitman arm and/or a relocated drag link attachment point (high steer kit) is the only way to change it. Sorry, Geometry will get you in the end.